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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.08 10:43:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I do invite anybody who feels that 14% voter turnout to be too low. (and I agree with you on this) to help, come the next election to get out the vote. I am not saying you have to run. Just get the people who agree with you on issues to organize, to find someone you think will represent you.
It is NOT too early to start this discussion. Organization takes time.
Winter summit, I hope elections comes up as an issue so we can convince CCP to advertise better that the election even exists.
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Why lend additional legitimacy to this CCP marketing stunt?
Even during the Incarna outrage the CSM happily played along with CCP's attempts at damage control and that really tells us all there is to it - all your power derives from your role in EVE and thus from CCP and at the end of the day that is where your loyalties are.
If this ship goes down you will clinch to it until the last moment, not capable of letting go, telling yourself that with enough words and concessions you will somehow convince the iceberg to move out of the way. You are just a marketing stunt, unreliable in representing player interest because you are wedded too tightly to this game and company.
Someone as heavily invested into EVE as the CSM has almost no leverage against CCP. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:
Even during the Incarna outrage the CSM happily played along with CCP's attempts at damage control and that really tells us all there is to it - all your power derives from your role in EVE and thus from CCP and at the end of the day that is where your loyalties are.
Yes that's absolutely what happened 
At the end of the day all leverage a customer has against a company stems from two sources: His own ability to stop purchasing the company's products and his ability to stop others from purchasing the company's products.
Real customer representatives would aim to organize and coordinate customers in order to allow them to exercise these powers more effectively, maximizing their negotiating position towards the company.
The main goal of the CSM on the other hand is to convince CCP's customers not to exercise these powers under any circumstances. Instead of strengthening the customers' position the CSM seeks to dilute it, to abandon the only source of actual power a customer has in favor of empty titles ("stakeholder") and the hope that some day CCP might take the CSM seriously.
But as long as the CSM is a CCP-organized body staffed by those who are invested most heavily in their ongoing relationship with CCP that won't happen. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:18:00 -
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And, yes, that is totally what happened.
Even the CSM members themselves realized (by September, I think) just how stupid they had been to play along with CCP's "emergency summit" damage control charade. |
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